(26-06-2010, 05:18 PM)alexgoei Wrote: Quote:Has that made it clearer or confused you now completely?
The DGR from the Non Stopping Headway computation was used as the starting point for determining signal spacing for computing the stopping headway although this may subsequently change to meet the stopping headway requirements. Is this incorrect?
Certainly need to prove that THE SAME proposed signalling meets BOTH requirements. It may be that you can get a good idea from looking at the respective figures which is the likely to be the more onerous- typically (in questions set in IRSE Exam) a stopping train will lose approx 30s during braking, 30s dwell and approx 30s during acceleration. Hence is the Non-stop requirement is 2.5mins and Stopping is 3.5mins then it is obvious that the latter is dominant; if the Stopping however is 5 mins then it is unlikely to be the important factor.
I'd generally worry about the Non Stop requirement first- after all that would allows you to signal a good proportion of the layout reasonably. Note that you may be asked to
calculate the best possible headway that could be achieved, but when placing your signals you would probably aim to do so in a way that was economical- i.e. only just meets the headway requirement. However you would also need to decide how to protect junctions and this may well imply that you need closer signals that the headway itseld demands. Similarly where you have a station / other slow speed area, it is sensible to make the sections in that area shorter if the stopping requirement looks at all "tight" to achieve.
By now you have probably placed in indicative positions little arrows on your track diagram representing the places in which your first guess is that you'd probably put signals. That is the time to do your stopping calculations; I'd work from my embryonic solution, look for the worst vase (there my be several staions, certainly two directions) and prove that the worst one would deliver the requirement. Note that I am not expecting to be asked
what is the best stopping headway that could be achieved by signals at minimum spacing? or even
what i the value of the headway that your signalling solution achieves?. If the task is just to provide a compliant solution, them my approach would be to work from my solution to check it works. If I find that it doesn't, then I need to rethink my initial signal positions by closing the spacing more or decide to put in a stretch of 4 aspects in what is otherwise 3 aspects. However, provided your first guess is right (that's where the inital comparison of the two headways comes in useful), it is quicker and easier since just doing calculations from "known" positions; also give more realistic result where signals are spaced at greater than minimum spacing as I assume that drivers start braking at the first caution and brake evenly to come to a stand within that entire distance (i.e. at an average deceleration rather less than the max value specified in the question). This confirms to me that I have still met the requirement if I felt I could get away with widely spaced signals; obviously if I assessed that the NS requirement was onerous then even if the rest of the line had signals spaced generally at 130% braking then I'd have closed the spacing around the station to be much closer to the minimum.
Quote:I have had a chance to compare the workings of two other students on this forum; one by "interesting signals" which is 3 aspect and the other by "douglas" which is 4 aspect. Both after some reworking and your comments give almost identical headways of about 244 secs. I am trying to determine which is operationally superior. Will let you know.
Regards
Alex
Look at the comparison graph I did. For simplicity this compares 3 aspects spaced at 2000m with 4 aspects spaced at 1000m. The first caution to instruct the driver to brake falls in the same location (obviously when you think about it!). Hence the difference is that
a) in the 4 aspect case the previous signal is 1000m earlier, whereas i
b)n the 3 aspect case it is 2000m earlier
Therefore the 4 aspects have achieved the 2nd train being 1000m closer.
However
suppose the option was more realistically between 3 aspects signals spaced at 1000m and 4 aspects spaced at 1300m.
In the diagram the 3 aspect signal (301) two in rear of platform starter (307) would be at 4000m from it.
The 4 aspect signal (401) three in rear of the platform starter (407) would be at 3900m and hence effectively in the same position (i.e. 403 wouldn't fall at same position as 303 being 600m further away and 401 is 1300m prior to this); therefore giving no significant advantage in terms of distance. Indeed it has probably made things noticeably worse since a driver would brake on seeing 403 at YY, 600m earlier than they would have done when seeing 303 at Y.
Where 4 aspects do score though, is by limiting the impact of a small perturbation of train service. The fact that there are two warnings of the red ansd the signals are closer does mean that if train 1 is slightly late away and train 2 getsa restictive aspect and has to brake, there is a chance to give updated information as soon as the next signal comes into view and, if that signal is by now showing YY, then the driver knows that they can ease off the brakes having already reduced their speed. Conversely in the 3 aspect case they would still have to be braking until the following signal comes into view and, since they have been expecting to stop at it, will be travelling quite slowly. It is things like this that give you "hidden contingency", so I suppose one way of reflecting that numerically is to insist that there is a 10% contingency margin if using 3 aspects but waive that need in the 4 aspect case.